David Irving's diaries
10:00 pm Telephoned Johannes
Göhler in Stuttgart. I said I am
resuming the search for the Eva
Braun/Hitler papers missing since
1946, after abandoning it temporarily in
December 1973. I told him of the CIC
Interrogations of Konrad, Spacil
and Haufler found in Washington. He
is very interested, and asked what the
description of the contents of the
Tropenkiste is! I read out Kornad's
handwritten description, and Göhler
said that was how he knew it.
He made the following points.
- (a) his former wife Ursula
is still alive (she believed in 1973
she was dying of cancer);
- (b) he does not think she will help
me, but he now knows that all the time
he was in Internierungslager 1945--,
with the CIC Special Agent Robert A.
Gutierrez. . . .
- (c) significantly, he was
telephoned three weeks ago by somebody
from USA, not named, asking for
information on this Haufler history. He
declined to assist. I asked him not to
mention that Gutierrez is still alive,
and he said that he would not help
- (d) on Walter Hirschfeld, he
said they always believed he was "einer
von uns." I said Hirschfeld is
identified as "SS Lt." in the files. He
confirmed that Konrad was hanged by the
Poles. I said to find the
entry is missing]
Telephoned Robert Gutierrez in
New Mexico for the first time since 1974.
He says a Stern journalist visited
him a month or two ago. Extraordinary!
Caught 8:30 train to Stuttgart via
Ansbach. . . Afterwards at 3 pm
to see Frau Ursula Göhler,
(see Interview Note) who was weepy
and uncooperative and on two issues flatly
lied to me. Which I am rather glad about,
as she now maintains she (a) never saw the
Hitler letters to Eva and (b) never saw
Gutierrez steal them. This contradicts
what she told me in November 1973. She is
bloated by cortisone but otherwise
seemingly in good health, despite having
cancer these last ten years. Taxi to the
town afterwards and at 5:15 pm met
Johannes Göhler at station who took
me to the airport. Interviewed him too
(see Note). He confirms that it
would be wrong to underestimate his
9:15 pm Phoned Gutierrez in New Mexico.
Out until tomorrow.
00:50 am Phoned Robert A. Gutierrez in
New Mexico. He says Bill Conner is
in Federal Employment last he heard of
him. Says I should call him "when I come
over to the States." He will find "the man
who knows how to locate Conner then." I
asked what kind of government employment.
He: not sure. I: Out at Mclean? He: (non
committal). Had calls from him a couple of
times after that (i.e., after 1946.)
2:30 am Telephoned Robert Gutierrez in
New Mexico. He: does not want now to see
me. Sounds wary and weary. Did not
correspondent with Bill Conner since ca
February 1946, he says, when he,
Gutierrez, left Germany. Has not bothered
to look for Conner's address therefore. I
reminded him that he himself had suggested
on my last call that I should plan a visit
to Albuquerque into my next ititnerary.
This did not move him.
Dealt with mail backlog. Sent this
letter to Ben Swearingen
[one of the
foremost American WWII researchers, now
Thank you so much for your letter of
May 29. I apologise most humbly for the
delay in replying, but I was out of the
country for the first months of this
year and today I am off again, for four
more months which will however take me
back to Houston some time late in
September, I think.
You ask for news on Göring.
It is this: the book was published in
Germany last August (1987), where it
was a great success. In Britain,
Macmillan Ltd., and in the USA William
Morrow Ltd., will be publishing the
book this coming spring (1989); the
delay has been caused by extensive
trimming and rewriting requested by the
Americans. Needless to say I have given
you credit for the
Wheelis discovery. I applied
incidentally for access to W.'s 201
personnel file, but I suppose many
years will pass before I finally see
Now to your queries. Sadly, while
there are good lists of all
Göring's birthday and Christmas
presents, I know of none for Hitler's;
on the other hand, there are lists of
all those who sent Hitler Christmas
cards. If you want authentication of
the cigarette box, you might send a
snapshot of it to Gutierrez, who would
probably have been the owner of it
until our German friend
Korte] took the EB
Braun] collection off him
two years ago. Incidentally, as regards
the missing EB/Hitler correspondence, I
found the enclosed November (1945?)
clipping which clearly shows that
the Americans did get these items. I
wonder if Sibert kept them? I do
not know how we are ever going to
"break" Guterierrez. Did you get any
closer to that 1916 Göring diary?
I would be interested to hear. I will
give you a call in a few weeks'
6, 1990 (Saturday)
This reply to Mr [Kenneth]
Alford, a document collector
interested in the missing Eva Braun
Your letter was most
interesting. I wonder if it is the same
Franz Konrad: it is a very
common name. I am not surprised that
[at the US
National Archives] jumped at
it. Let me know the outcome, please!
The Fort Meade file on Konrad (which is
part of the "Adolf Hitler" file now in
John Taylor's hands at NARS)
certainly stated Konrad had been
executed, and I believe Johannes
Göhler told me the same.
Göhler is still
alive, as was his ex-wife (although she
was always in a very poor state of
health with cancer.) You are correct in
the first part of your question about
her, and it was not until I interviewed
her and Gutierrez, who remained in
correspondence with her until 1947, and
then again more recently (she showed me
the letters) that Johannes G. knew
about it. He was not pleased. I should
be interested to add Leonard's
interrogation of Göring to my
collection, except I may have it
already. Was it in Jun, or Dec 1945? I
have passed a note about your document
collection to the Ribbentrop
family. Yours sincerely,
13, 1993 (Saturday)
Strand, South Africa
Good query from Bill Honan,
cultural editor of The New York
Times, about [Robert]
Replied at length to Honan (7pp).
Benté stayed at Ken's, and I went
there in the evening and picked her up.
They had done some sightseeing, Map of
Africa, Wilderness, etc.
30, 1994 (Friday)
Quiet evening. Long discussion
downstairs with Ben Swearingen
Swearingen acts very knowing about the
Robert A Gutierrez episode. Thinks
he knows who holds the "double key" (he
insists on the word double) to the
secret as to where the Eva Braun/Adolf
Hitler documents now are.
He, Swearingen, first learned of
Göhler's existence in about 1966 or
1967 when his son told him his friend's
father was "Hannes Göhler, Hitler's
adjutant." The rest fiowed from there. He
says Göhler knew all along that the
papers had not been destroyed by Konrad.
He thinks that the items that Willi Korte
got were indeed all that Gutierrez
Is astonished that I did not know of,
or try to locate, Gutierrez's superior in
the CIC, Calhoun(?), although he
adds swiftly that Calhoun has not got the
items -- somebody else has, Gutierrez
knows who, but (surmises Sw.) is anxious
not to implicate them. He points out that
a close reading of the Fort Meade files
would have shown Calhoun's key role:
Swearingen learned from those files that
Calhoun was a Mormon, so he checked Salt
Lake City phone information and got his
A priceless collection of stamps plays
a part, in Swearingen's view -- also
mentioned in the Fort Meade files. Again
he is surprised that I overlooked that. He
hints that there was a carve-up -- one
party got the stamps, another the Eva
Braun papers. Swearingen knew
independently about how Ursula Göhler
had packed the "diaries and bundles of
letters" into Gutierrez's suitcase in 1946
-- he finished off the story for me, and
he had not got it even indirectly from me,
but independently. (I said that Ursula G.
subsequently changed her story and denied
it; and that Gutierrez wrote her after I
first visited him, mad at her for having
revealed so much to me.)
Swearingen thinks that the bag will be
opened when Gutierrez dies. He,
Swearingen, is determined to be the one to
get it: he has the funds (says he is a
wealthy man with money in the bank).
Motives for Gutierrez's tight lips?
He never set eyes on Gutierrez. Calls
Frank Gish a pathological liar --
the whole of Gish's story was lies.
Other items from Swearingen: he got the
Spacil cyanide ampoule from Calhoun
or Calhoun's widow; paid $7,000 for it.
Got the bloodstained Hitler couch
upholstery fragment indirectly from a
Russian source, paid $10,000, sold it on
for $75,000 to one of his three secret
American millionaires who collect these
artefacts but stay out of the limelight.
These three are connoisseurs, Swearingen
emphasizes, not Billy Price
in Australia claims to have the pistol
with which Goebbels shot himself
(unlikely: the Russians would have taken
28, 1995 (Thursday)
Set out at 9 A.M. Pittsburgh and
arrived 3 P.M. . . .
Dinner with Ben Swearingen . . .
Ben says that James Townsend died
of a heart attack two weeks ago driving
his car: he was only thirty! Townsend's
father had phoned Ben about it. I was very
shocked. (Only on August 22 I identified
him to the Holocaust Museum in Los Angeles
as being the owner of Himmler's
1939 diary!) More banter about the
Gutierrez papers: he again chides me for
not chasing down Cahoon, who is now dead;
Swearingen says Honan is a key
element, and above all why have I not
tried to locate William H Prentice,
who was G's superior and signed for the
other documents and the priceless stamp
albums (which have vanished). He has P's
address; but does not get replies to his
letters. I said: doorstep him. Swearingen:
not that kind.
The old Gutierrez business surfaces
[. . .
A Danny Parker of dparker@FSEC.UCF.EDU
writes to me:]
Thanks for your note. I was
concerned that perhaps you were
affronted by my comments. No offense
intended. Yes, I can recognize many of
Himmler's entourage these days, so send
on photostatic copies of images if you
like. [Werner] Grothmann
is a fixture in many... The episode at
Zell Am See concerns a certain Franz
Konrad who claimed to have possessed a
number of Hitler's personal effects and
co-ordinated with Erika Lorenz
to burn a few file cabinets of critical
files from Himmler's office. The CIC
hounded him for weeks and interrogated
just about everyone he knew.
claimed that Konrad had buried the
articles around Schloss Fischhorn in
early May 1945. Evidently, many SS
records -- including personal papers
and correspondence of Heinrich
Himmler and Adolf Hitler -- were
burned in the castle and materials of
great historical value may have been
hidden or buried.
I found information
on this episode from the National
Archives in material recently
declassified from the U.S. 307th
Counter-Intelligence Center. Of course,
you may already be aware of the above.
I will be around today and tomorrow,
but then out of the office until next
Monday. - Danny
The CIC detachment was
operated by a Col Robert A Gutierrez,
who now lives in Albuquerque. I have
been applying gentle pressure on him
for twenty-five years to come clean
about what he got. Others tried other
methods; one gentleman visited him with
a case with 2m dollars in cash.
Gutierrez still will not fess up.
Konrad was hanged by the Poles, and
deserved it from what I hear.
If you have a dossier on the case I
would be most interested. I know a
great deal about the whole affair.
Mr Irving's Robert
reveals secret life of Eva
happened to Hitler's letters to Eva
Braun and her private diaries?