and comments by David Irving on the Frontline
article April, 2000.
1. As the documents in Discovery proved,
Lipstadt was paid $25,000 by the Yad Vashem
institution, an Israeli government Agency in
Jerusalem, to write the manuscript on which her
book was based.
2. The reference is Day
18 (Feb 10, 2000) at page 33. The journalist
has gravely misquoted the exchange. The full text
- Irving. You attach great importance
to the objective use of sources, is that
- Evans. I do, yes.
- Q. Yes.
- A. I think the sources, as it were, have a
right of veto on what one can and what one
- Q. Express.
- A. But within the area that is covered by
the sources that you use, there is, of course,
scope for some disagreement.
- Q. You have done a certain amount of
research into the Nazi period, have you
- A. Yes.
- Q. This was not originally your speciality,
was it? Originally, you came from a different
era of history?
- A. Yes, I have researched on eras of the
19th and 20th centuries.
- Q. For some reason the Nazi era is a
profitable era of research if one writes books?
I do not mean this in any sense as a
- A. Well, I have to say the only book that I
have done that is based on archival research on
the Nazi period, a book called "Rituals of
Retribution" on the issue of capital punishment
in Germany since the 17th century, has sold very
badly. It is far too long and I am told that
Penguin regard it as something of an
- Q. It contains acres of sludge, does
- A. I would not describe it as sludge myself,
3. The private
diary of my 1987 trip to South Africa was
posted on this website in 1998. The reference
quoted in truncated form by the journalist (and by
Rampton) is from the entry for November 10. The
full text reads:
Around 8 p.m. my name was paged: Claire
B-- had come to see me with her rather quiet
fiancé Burridge, a doctor in
Swaziland. We gossiped for an hour, she
bristling a bit about some of my more blatant
chauvinism, he talking most interestingly about
the AIDS epidemic in Black Africa; says he
thinks that the Black population in all Africa
will die out within a very short space of time.
He attributes the incredibly high AIDS
incidence among Blacks to their sexual activity,
few Blacks apparently engaging in less than five
sexual acts per night. He says the astonishing
sexual activity among Black men accounts for why
a large number of white female intellectuals and
students like having Black boyfriends, which
now, of course, they will regret. God works in
mysterious ways, but here, He appears to be
working remorselessly towards a Final Solution,
which may cruelly wipe out not only the Blacks
and homosexuals but a large part of the drug
addicts and sexually promiscuous and
indiscriminate heterosexual population as
He says the virus is clearly the same as one
known for a long time to have affected the
monkey population. -- "The only weapon against
AIDS," I suggest, "is an aspirin: clenched
firmly between the knees at all times."
And then see what Defence Counsel Richard
Rampton makes of this entry in a private diary in
his scathing cross examination on Day
14 (Feb 2, 2000) at page 102. It is noteworthy
that today, 13 years later, the full scale of
southern Africa's AIDS catastrophe (with 70 percent
of the whole world's HIV-positive cases) has at
last reached the attention of the outside world
through the efforts of President Thabo
Mbeki. Note that in his Judgment Judge
Gray wrote at 13.106: "The manner in which
Irving speaks of the AIDS epidemic wiping out
blacks, homosexuals, drug addicts and others has in
my view a distinctly racist flavour. " And at
13.107: "I cannot accept that the various
explanations put forward by Irving for what he said
and wrote deprive his words of their racist
quality... I reject Irving's explanations... of his
comments about the spread of AIDS in Africa..." I
find it hard to find the slightest trace of racist
sentiment in the diary entry quoted in full above;
quite the reverse ("cruelly").
4. The reference will be found on
18 (Feb 10 ) at page 99:
- Irving. Yes. Reverting to standards
on anti-Semitism, what do you know about the
made by leading politicians on the Jews
during the war? Were they anti-Semitic in any
degree, people like Winston Churchill or
Anthony Eden or Lord Halifax? Are
you familiar with any of the things that they
- Prof. Evans. I am not, no.
- Q. No. I just want to put to you a little
clip of extracts that I made from some of their
private diaries, and I do not propose to read
- MR JUSTICE GRAY: Can you just help me
- MR IRVING: It is headed: "Anti-Semitism in
- MR JUSTICE GRAY: --- as to their
- MR IRVING: The relevance? It is arguable, my
Lord. I was going to say on a scale of 1 to 10
is Lord Halifax mildly anti-Semitic if these
- MR JUSTICE GRAY: No, but what if he is? I
mean, help me about that.
- MR IRVING: Then the question I was going to
say is on the scale of what you know from my
private diaries, what number do I reach? 1,
- MR RAMPTON: I mean, the fact that these
well-known people are, as I can plainly see,
having looked at some of this stuff, guilty of
the same kind of blatant anti-Semitism as Mr
Irving takes us nowhere.
- MR JUSTICE GRAY: It is a "so what?" point
- MR RAMPTON: Yes, it is a "so what?" point
with a big question mark.
In my view it was wrong for Judge Gray to have
disallowed my introduction of this comparative
material, showing how shockingly antisemitic
Britain's wartime statesmen were. See too Day
28 (March 1) page 33.
5. Long before Mr Rampton and
Prof. Lipstadt, and even before Mr Himmler
and his Auschwitz, the phrase "the truth shall set
you free" was propagated by the Holy Scriptures.
(St John 8:32.)
6. This is the phrase that most
alarmed the defence, and they and -- unwittingly
Judge Gray, by forbidding argument on the topic --
went to great lengths to kill the evidence that
Crematorium 1 at Auschwitz, to which Mr Irving is
referring in this speech, is
a fake built by the Poles in 1948. On Day
10 at page 212 et seq. Judge Gray resolutely
(and totally unexpectedly) refused to allow me to
lead evidence or cross examine Pelt the expert
witness, on this precise point, to establish that
Krema I is a fake. (He reasoned that what happened
after 1945 was neither here nor there. He even
said: "So what!") Rampton, no doubt unable to
believe his good luck, at once chimed in in the
7. For the full transcript
on this "Sieg Heil" "Mein Führer" passage of
my closing speech see Day 32 (March 15, 2000) at
Irving: When the off-screen
chanting of slogans begins at 18:18:59 I am
clearly seen to interrupt my speech, shake my
head at them and gesticulate with my left hand
to them to stop, and I am clearly heard to say,
"You must not", because they are shouting the
"Siegheil" slogans, "Mein Führer", and
things like, "you must not always be thinking of
the past". I am heard clearly to say: "You must
always be thinking of the past. You must not
keep coming out with the slogans of the past. We
are thinking of the future [voice
emphasised] of Germany. We are thinking of
the future of the German people. As an
Englishman I have to say ...", and so on.
Related page: Letter
from a correspondent on this episode: he was
in court that day.